Calling Out YouTube Commenters Spreading False Myths About the Catholic Church
2019 Apr 19 By Saul Staples 0 comment

The commenters and comments in question come from the video called “Why Be Catholic and Not Just Christian?” From Father Mike Schmitz of Ascension Presents.

The video itself is a Catholic video, yet you cannot help those that want to take down the Catholic church with their ridiculous comments and the myths they love to believe.

Personally, I don’t think any of the commenters I am about to call out actually watched the video. If they did, they already closed their mind and had already decided they knew better than Father Mike Schmitz about the Catholic Church.

This is one of the major reasons why I am making this a part of my show today and will in the future. I get annoyed and frustrated with the many protestants and non-Christians that love to spout myths about the Catholic church, but then they won’t listen to a Catholic when we tell them they are wrong. They’ve already decided the Catholic Church is wrong even though the myths they love to spread are not even true in the Catechism.

Okay, let’s get into it. Today I am calling out the following YouTube Commenters:

  • KingJay
  • The Jesus Freak
  • Click on Ponder That
  • I will also Debunk the video called “Stop Praying to Mary” from Jesus Truth

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KingJay

Too much paganism mixed in Catholicism. Why do they whorship saints and statues (idols)? Why do they light candles to statues like pagans do?  Why do they whorship Mary? Did Jesus whorship Mary?🤔

KingJay

We are to pray to the Father in Jesus name, not to Mary or saints. Wake up people!! Jesus is the only mediator between us and the Father (Jehovah), not a priest or saints. Worshiping idols is satanic!!

Bearded Bible Thumper

@KingJay Catholics don’t worship saints or Mary. We honor them and ask them to pray for us. Please don’t make false assumptions about the Catholic Church without referring to the Catechism of the church first.

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This is really where this conversation should end. I simply asked the false assumptions to stop, but they don’t, as they never seem to cease when dealing with someone that has already made up their mind. KingJay goes on to say…

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KingJay

@Bearded Bible Thumper I grew up in the Catholic church and know very well who you worship. You pray to Mary and saints which is a form of worship. I have family members that pray to saints when they need to sell  their home or need a favor. As Christ believers we are not to pray to anyone but God. I do not pray to my dead relatives, pope, or any human. So praying to Mary is a form of worship, God alone is worthy prayer.

My Response

Bearded Bible Thumper

@KingJay first, growing up Catholic doesn’t make you a reliable source. I also grew up Catholic but didn’t have a clue about my faith until later in life.

Second, Catholics don’t worship saints or Mary. We honor them and ask them to pray for us. There is a big difference, and this is one of the most misunderstood myths about the Catholic Faith.

Finally, if you really want to know what Catholics believe about prayer to Mary read the Catholic Catechism starting at

Part 4, Section 1, Chapter 2, Article 2.

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The brief for this section of the Catholic Catechism states:

“2680 Prayer is primarily addressed to the Father; it can also be directed toward Jesus, particularly by the invocation of his holy name: “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.”

2681 “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’, except by the Holy Spirit” (⇒ 1 Cor 12:3). the Church invites us to invoke the Holy Spirit as the interior Teacher of Christian prayer.

2682 Because of Mary’s singular cooperation with the action of the Holy Spirit, the Church loves to pray in communion with the Virgin Mary, to magnify with her the great things the Lord has done for her, and to entrust supplications and praises to her.”

You can read the entire section of the Catholic Catechism here.

You can also read Part 1, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 9 here.

In addition, here’s a more simplified answer, “Catholics think Mary is a prayer warrior. That’s her job. We think she was given a full-time 24/7 prayer ministry. She said, “all generations will call me Blessed” and “my soul magnifies the Lord” (Luke 1:46).

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Catholics think this word of Scripture is significant, although its one of the list of scripture passages we almost never hear during sermons in Evangelical churches.”

You can look up the full article that was taken from here.

Here’s a little bit from the articles I mentioned in response, which I am guessing he never read, based on the follow up comments.

“Do Catholics Worship Mary?

Many Evangelicals think the word “pray” means “worship.” So it makes sense that they think Catholics who “pray” to Mary actually “worship” her. Let’s look up the word “pray” in the dictionary. Here is what Webster’s says about the word pray:

(1)  To utter petition to God … (2) To make a fervent request: PLEAD (3)  To beseech: implore (4) to make a devout or earnest request for.

The first thing to notice is that the word “worship” is not included in the definition of “pray.” It does not mean “worship.” A prayer to Mary is clearly not a petition to God. Mary is not God, and there is not one faithful Catholic since the apostles who has said she is. So clearly it is not the first meaning.”

It should be pretty clear now, that “praying to” and asking “to pray for us” are not worship. Let’s move on.

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KingJay

@Bearded Bible Thumper Did Jesus practice these things to ask others to pray for him?

Did the apostles pray to Moses or Abraham?

Why add things to what Jesus taught?

He specifically taught us how to pray, we pray to the Father in Jesus name. Should I pray to my dead relatives to help me pray?

Should I pray to Moses and Abraham to help me pray?

These traditions are not biblical and Jesus never taught these things which should raise a red flag to those who truly love Christ.

Jesus Christ is not a religion, he is God and wants a personal relationship with you. You can go straight to him and do not need a saint or Mary’s help to pray to him. He will send the Holy spirit to guide you, that is all you need. Do not rely on man made traditions,  pray to the father in Jesus name. I pray you understand this and take Jesus word in scripture literally.

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So let’s take some of scripture literally, shall we:

Mark 9:47 “And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell.”

Should I pluck my eye out every single time I lust over a women or covet something? If so, I’d have no eyeballs and would go through life blind.

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”

Did Jesus really mean I should hold this much hate in my heart? I think not.

Matthew 8:21-22 “Another of the disciples said to him, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.” And Jesus said to him, “Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.”

I don’t think dead people can actually bury dead people.

I could go on, but I would just be beating a dead horse. You cannot take every bible verse literally, but that is what KingJay is saying we should do. I bet he doesn’t take one mentioned over and over again literally, that Catholics do take rather literally, which is:

Matthew 26:26-28 “Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”

John 6:51 “I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”

John 6:54 “Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

So, when it backs up something Catholic, I bet he’s not taking the bible literally, yet he is praying I will take the words of Jesus literally.

Nowhere did I state to this commenter that Catholics think I HAVE to have Saints or Mary to help you pray. I never said that because that is not the Catholic belief.

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KingJay

@Bearded Bible Thumper Heres a video on the logic of praying to Mary.

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So this video that he suggests starts out by saying “Praying to Mary is like playing the lottery.” I haven’t even gotten any further and I can tell the guy behind the “Jesus Truth” YouTube channel has very little understanding of the truth behind what Catholics believe.

He claims he will give an example that proves praying to Mary is not logical. He claims this video is based on logic.

He says Catholics will say:

“It’s not praying to Mary, it’s asking Mary to pray for us.” This is true and he does agree with this.

The video also says Mary is Alive in Heaven….this goes completely against the point KingJay continues to try to make in the comments….I am guessing he skipped this part.

The video also says Praying to Mary isn’t worship….goes against what KingJay is trying to say, once again.

He claims praying the rosary started in 1214, but this isn’t completely accurate. Of course, it’s similar to when people say, “well, the word Catholic isn’t found in the bible, so the early church must not have been Catholic.”

Like many things, you have to go further than when the word describing it first started. We could look at the sport of Golf for example and find it actually came from a game played in China from 960 to 1279, but most would say it originated in Scotland in the 1400s.

When you use a source outside of the Wikipedia page and you go to something more reliable, such as DynamicCatholic.com, you find the real origin of the rosary was far before 1214.

Here’s what the article from DynamicCatholic.com has to say:

The rosary has roots in several early Christian prayer traditions. They share similar formats to the rosary with repetitive structures and prayers.

Third-century Christian hermits and monks in Egypt (known as Desert Fathers) used stones and later prayer ropes to keep track when praying the 150 Psalms.

Various forms of “the Jesus Prayer” (such as “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me.”) became popular. The short prayer was said over and over again in a type of mantra while counting beads.

The Our Father was also prayed 150 times, using a string of beads with five decades referred to as a Paternoster (Latin for “Our Father”)

The same article also states:

“The earliest form of the rosary developed when Pope Gregory the Great (590-604)”

Most of the history found in the video KingJay responded with comes from Wikipedia, which isn’t the best choice for a historic source.

In addition, I would like to point out that the main prayer of the rosary, “Hail Mary” comes directly from the bible in Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42.

The video also states that nobody was praying to Mary for about 1500 years after the scriptures were completed. Can we say FALSE!!!!!

Another Wikipedia lie, friends. Sure, “officially” the Hail Mary version we know today was officially approved in 1568, but that doesn’t mean nobody was praying to Mary before that.

In addition, the video tells us the rosary came about in 1214 so we are supposed to believe nobody prayed to Mary from 1214 to 1568?

One example of a Catholic praying to Mary way before 1568 was Pope Gregory the Great from 590-604.

In addition, there are accounts of the early church fathers praying to Mary as early as the end of the first century.  Find out more about this here.

Here’s a few more accounts of Catholics praying to Mary much earlier than 1568: https://www.catholic.org/mary/maryef.php

Here’s his one example that makes praying to Mary not logical in his opinion.

He uses an example of 10 million Catholics get down on their knees to go to bed all at once and pray to Mary. How can Mary answer all these prayers? She’s not omniscient, only God is, which is true.

He says, Mary cannot hear millions of prayer going up all at the same time. This is his big example of logic, but he forgets a few important things:

One, time in Heaven isn’t the same on earth.

Two, we don’t know what we will be capable of when we get to Heaven, as all things are possible through God.

Three, 10pm isn’t the same time across the world, lol, just had to throw that one in there.

So now he goes back to the lottery and compares praying to Mary to having 1 in 10 million odds.

While we are on the topic of logic,

Was it logical for a man to die for the worlds sins? No. Did it happen? Yes.

Was it logical for a burning bush to talk to Moses? No. Did it happen? Yes

Was it logical for 2 of every species of animal to survive in an arch with Noah as the entire early was flooded? No. Did it happen? Yes.

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Catholic Saints

Bearded Bible Thumper

@KingJay it’s hard to debate with someone that has closed their mind and doesn’t take the time to read the other side. The simple fact that you keep referring to your relatives as “dead” speaks volumes because that is NOT biblical.

They are not dead see,

Mat 19:2929 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[a] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Mat  25:46, 10:17-22

Mk 10:29 – 3029 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life.

Lk 10:25-30,

Lk 18:18-30,

Jn 3:15-16

therefore why wouldn’t you ask those Christian brothers and sisters if yours already alive in heaven to pray for you just as you’d ask someone alive on earth?  Again, if you read what I said you wouldn’t keep saying “pray to” as those are your words not mine.

KingJay

@Bearded Bible Thumper here’s more scripture on praying to the dead(dead on earth).

https://www.gotquestions.org/praying-to-the-dead.html

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Again, back to the Dead thing as this guy simply likes to beat a dead horse….lol.

I already pointed out several verses showing that those in Heaven are not dead.

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KingJay

@Bearded Bible Thumper

Question: “What does the Bible say about praying to / speaking to / talking to the dead?”

Answer: Praying to the dead is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.” The story of Saul consulting a medium to bring up the spirit of the dead Samuel resulted in his death “because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance” (1 Samuel 28:1-25; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14). Clearly, God has declared that such things are not to be done.?

Bearded Bible Thumper

@KingJay Thats one verse…..The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood.

The book of Revelation shows the saints worshipping God, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to Christ to avenge their martyrdom, and offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11).

Because they are alive, we believe that we can go to them to intercede for us with God. We do not need to see apparitions or hear their voices in order to believe they will pray for us in heaven. We trust that the saints will accept our requests for help and will present them to Christ for us.

The Catholic Church has always believed that Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. It is the death and resurrection of Jesus alone by which people are saved.

In 449 Pope Leo the Great wrote his Tome against Eutyches, who taught that Jesus Christ had only one nature, not two. (This was the heresy of monophysitism.) In the Tome, which the Council of Chalcedon accepted as the authentic Catholic teaching on Christ, he quotes 1 Timothy 2:5 as the authentic Catholic doctrine: “Hence, as was suitable for the alleviation of our distress, one and the same mediator between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, was both mortal and immortal under different.aspects.”?

The Jesus Freak

Elijah Catholics are not Christians. There are very distinct differences in core beliefs between the two. Why would they be called by different titles if they were the same. I’d love to talk more if you wanna respond?

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Okay, this one is pretty silly. Catholics are Christian and the simple point I will make here is why do Protestants call themselves by several different names based on the denomination they belong to? Saying I am Catholic should automatically imply I am Christian, just as saying I am Baptist would also imply the same.

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Bearded Bible Thumper

@The Jesus Freak Catholics are very much Christians. Please don’t spread lies without an understanding of the faith. It doesn’t benefit anybody to read false information.?

Click on Ponder That

Ten commandments. No false idols. Bye bye catholics. Common sense.

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Another myth about the Catholic Church, but I will also make this point assuming “Click on Ponder That” is human, if you break one of the 10 commandments, are you no longer Christian? If so, there are so very few Christians.

This person is also assuming that using any type of image in worship is idolatry, but God ordered the making of statues in the bible multiple times. He forbade the worship of statues, not the use of religious use of statues, which was actually commanded more than once. From Catholic.com on this issue click here.

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Bearded Bible Thumper

@Click on Ponder That You are making a very poor assumption about a faith you obviously don’t understand.

The Jesus Freak

Bearded Bible Thumper alright bro, don’t catholics believe Mary is percent, don’T they pray to Mary as well, don’t they think that you go to purgatory if your not good enough for a second chance, don’t they believe good works are required for salvation? I would love if you would confirm these things. Cause if so, then those are completely different than what the Christians believe?

Bearded Bible Thumper

@The Jesus Freak Let’s start here as you keep naming the most common things Protestants misunderstand about Catholics:

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I would like to end this calling out of these YouTube commenters by going through common myths about the Catholic Church. I will be referring to an article from BeliefNet.com for this section.

Common Myths About the Catholic Church Believed by Protestants and Non-Christians

Catholics are not Christians

This one came up in the thread, of course, and it’s so very false. The article found on beliefnet.com states:

“A Christian is a person who believes in Jesus in Christ and His teachings. Catholics believe in God, and also believe that God sent His only son, Jesus Christ to die for our sins.”

Catholics Worship Statues, Mary, and Saints, or as some say Idols

Another one that came up in the thread and was the biggest point of debate between MR “I Know Catholicism Better than Catholics” KingJay and myself. The article from Beliefnet.com says:

“Catholics don’t worship statues. They honor Jesus, His disciples and the Saints all of which are highly regarded in the Catholic Church. Many question Catholics relationship with Mary, believing they worship her, when in fact they honor her, admiring her particularly for her courage and her willingness to serve God humbly and wholeheartedly. Catholics are not idol worshipers. Just as many Christians of various denominations have and carry things around them that remind of us Jesus, like a cross necklace, or a wall cross, many Catholics have pictures of Jesus, His disciples and the Saints that also remind them of those they highly regard.”

Catholics Only Care About Tradition

Since the entire Catholic Mass is biblically based, this one is pretty easy to dispel. The article from beliefnet.com states:

“While tradition is important to Catholics, it is not the sole source of their belief system. Traditions are simply ways for Catholics to honor and celebrate God and their faith.”

You can read about all 7 of them myths from the full article. I just wanted to cover the few that came up in the thread of comments on YouTube to better explain what Catholics believe.

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